What does the story of accidentally ending up as a festival organiser after an impromptu field party have to do with Covid 19 and the lockdown? The Giant Pause was lucky enough to catch with Grace Willow - founder of The Joy in Dance, festival and event producer and workshop leader (Rollright Fayre, Shambala Festival, Secret Cinema) We explore how there is an aspect of the time in which we find ourselves, that is allowing an imperfect, unfiltered yes to life. Creativity is bursting through the cracks of what can look, on so many days, like a heavy blanket of sadness and futility and loss. By telling her own story from how she got rid of "business as usual" and simply started - we talk about why now is the best possible time to start a new business or project and how to stay grounded even while you're choosing to take that leap.
Grace Willow works as a choreographer and producer. She's passionate about helping people tap into their joy, using dance as a tool to promote body postivity. She is also Director of the Rollright Fayre, an independant festival of music and the creative arts. During lockdown she is also running a brilliant programme of dance workshops live and as replays on The Joy in Dance Facebook page.
Where to find her:
https://www.facebook.com/thejoyindance/
https://www.instagram.com/thejoyindance/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCf4fo8_9w_TpWGZ3agahL9A/featured
https://m.facebook.com/thelionheartedgirls/
https://www.instagram.com/thelionheartedgirls/
Catherine: [00:00:00] Are you someone with a new business or project idea and you're having a little bit of problem getting started in creating momentum? This conversation just might be for you. Stay tuned.
Catherine: [00:00:20] My next guest is Grace Willow from The Joy and Dance.
Grace: [00:00:25] Gosh, what an extraordinary time I find myself. Caveating these kind of thoughts always by saying that, you know, this comes from a tremendous place of privilege in the sense that, you know, I've got a roof over my head. I don't own that roof. I rent it. And I. Yeah. You know, I, I recognize that this is a really difficult time. And and people are really struggling. Yeah. And also. Yeah. Just finding it quite extraordinary. I don't think I've experienced anything in my lifetime that has had such a sense of the knowledge that we are all completely intrinsically connected and we are all one tribe and we are all the human race. And I find those beliefs in smaller pockets. You know, we get that at festivals and if you're plugged into the subculture in any way you know, I've been lucky to have a lot of that in my life, but to feel it in the world.
Catherine: [00:01:22] You are the sub culture in many ways, which will come back to you with your introduction. Yes, sorry carry on..
Grace: [00:01:29] You can feel that in the inverted commas sort of normal world is just really quite awe inspiring and incredibly heartwarming, and exciting, I think. And seeing the measures that people are going to to maintain connection is just completely beautiful and extraordinary and imaginative and creative. And I'm sure we'll talk a lot more about that. But it's just, wow, it really excites me. If we can all come together in the way that we have literally across the world, regardless of religion or politics or any of our beliefs, and unite in one common cause, look how quickly things get done, which makes me oh, so well, world poverty, hunger, starvation, homelessness, the planet, domestic violence. We can just sort all of that out in about ten minutes as it happens, if we all just put heads together.
Catherine: [00:02:27] We've now I don't know whether this is a big experiment, but we're in the middle of this global culture shift, which is extraordinary to kind of be inside of and see see how I mean, just within days, people have shifted their whole outlook attitude...
Grace: [00:02:51] Priorities, what's important and everything whole belief systems are coming into question it's incredibly exciting and.
Catherine: [00:03:00] It is incredibly exciting. And I'm glad that, you know, it feels like, I mean, maybe it's just what I've been focusing on. But there does seem to be a shift away from the appetite of the fluffy stuff that's been in the news, which people have up till the virus outbreak were preoccupying themselves with. And now I don't know when this sort of peddle gets to the metal people. I feel like we're coming back to ourselves more kind of the essence of who we are and want to kind of turn too hippy about that but...speaking of hippy ...... Nice segue. We met the most. So for the listeners, is just this the most magical, wonderful little festival called Rollright
Grace: [00:03:58] Well, it started life as a party, and that was nine.. We had a party with a group of friends that got kind of beautifully out of hand in the best possible way. And more and more friends kept going, oh, I've got a band we could play. And now I could bring my decks and I could do some dance. And we had this this lovely party and everyone's like, oh, let's do it next year. So we did it the following year and we ran it on donations. It was just friends of friends. And we said, look, if you can afford chuck a tenner in a bucket, we can pay some of the bands. That'll be lovely. And then when my God, that was so nice. You are going to do it next year. On year, we're like, well, we're not festival organizers. We're all quite busy. But yeah. And then it rolled on and then we've done nine, something like that.
Catherine: [00:04:44] So yes, that the randomness of human endeavor and connection I think has kind of continued in our friendship and is exploding everywhere right now. And um so kind of fast, fast forward to today. I was thinking before we started how I would introduce you.
Grace: [00:05:04] I'm one of the organizers of The Roll Right Fayre, which is a lovely, completely independent, non for profit, community minded little festival which we're having a year off this year, which was quite fortunate, actually. We. We decided that before current events unfolded, so, yeah, the universe is looking after us there. So I do that. I also work in events and production as a freelance organizer. And I've worked for Secret Cinema. I do a lot of work for lovely Bristol based company called Cirque Bijou, who are a lovely circus company. But we go all over the world doing a lovely staff and they do big, big scale things, but they also do amazing community outreach stuff as well. They're great. I also I worked professionall as an actor for about 10 years. That's in my story. And I, I do a lot for teenagers. I am deeply, deeply passionate about people loving their bodies and kind of unhooking themselves from a lot of the, quite frankly, rubbish conditioning that we get taught about how we are supposed to look and be and feel in our bodies. And I think that's a right load of nonsense. So I try and I'm back where I can. Including in my dance work, which is another quite big strand of what I do and how I make my living is I work as a dance teacher and choreographer. I started teaching when I was at drama school when I was 19, and I got a Saturday job teaching dance to children and I absolutely loved it.
[00:06:42] And then for about 10 years, alongside my acting, I took a lot of regular classes in London, mainly to children and teenagers in things like street dance and hip hop, contemporary and jazz. And then about 10 years ago, I yeah, I was invited to teach dance at Shambala, which is a fantastic festival, which I just love so dearly with all my heart. And the brilliant thing about the dance stage at Shambala with stages outside. And what that means is that you get people coming to those workshops who who would didn't necessarily think they were going to do a dance workshop. So they were kind of walking past and they hear some music or they see some people waving their arms or rather, they think, wow, this is good. I like the look of that. And what I discovered when I started teaching those classes was a lot of people coming up afterwards. And that was the bit of feedback that really, really excited me, that people were coming up and saying, I never normally do dance. I didn't mean to go to this workshop. It was just happening. And before I knew it, I was joining in. And it was amazing. And lots of people saying things like, well, I can't dance, but I really enjoyed that. Or well I can't learn steps I've got two left feet. I definitely can't dance. But that was amazing. I was like, mmmmm this is quite interesting.
Grace: [00:08:04] Since then, I've got more and more and more into dance kind of big scale way people might join in who wouldn't normally go to a local dance class. Or I might feel too intimidated or certainly wouldn't sign up to like a dance course, but just to feel how absolutely gorgeous and joyful it is to get really in our bodies and dance and move and move to music that we love and that connects us. And just to not worry. And again, going back to that thing about our bodies, I think dance is an interesting one. And for some people, it's and singing is like this. I think there's a lot of old stories left over perhaps with childhood or being a teenager, about, you know, lots of people think they can't dance or find a dance quite scary, actually. And so I'm passionate about breaking that down and going, actually, you know what? Your body is amazing. We're so lucky to have these brilliant bodies and just to move in with such a joy. It doesn't matter what you look like. It doesn't matter if you're getting the steps wrong. And so that was the birth of what is now known as Joy in Dance which is what I did. Well, I get people moving to all different dance styles. Usually with very fun upbeat often quite silly music. Everything from drum and bass to Britney and and. Yeah, and that is Joy in Dance.
Catherine: [00:09:35] This is about just imperfect action and just starting just doing it right.
Grace: [00:09:43] Absolutely. So I. Yeah. So this is probably going back a couple of weeks. You know, social distancing is gone. This kind of overhanging this thing about lockdown down is sort of looming. And I started thinking, you know, I'm self-employed, so my income had just sort of completely vanished. All of my work is festivals and events and it's dance. So it was all quite interesting. And and I sort of thought, oh, well, you know, if we go into lockdown, I could put some some dance classes online because people are going to need to exercise and move. And also, particularly with what I do, it's about connecting to your joy and it's as much about shaking any stress and any anxiety as it is about keeping fit and dancing. So I thought, yeah, this this could definitely, definitely be helpful to people. So that was my first lovely brilliant thought. And then instantly was followed by evil anooying thought full of. Oh, God. But your Web site isn't live and you're going to have to advertise it.
Grace: [00:10:52] And that means you're going to need graphics and yo're rubbish at those and dadadada. Sure enough. I mean, were announced it was locked down and I was like, right, okay, I'll call a friend who understands about PR and get them to talk me through graphic design, get me to make it thing. And that means I can do the dance in a week. And then I thought, actually, you know what? Sod it. Like we've gone into lockdown today. Today is when this thing is needed. It was about 10 o'clock in the morning. So I just went on my Facebook page and went 12:00 today. We're doing a dance workout. And then I went up to my bedroom. So I messing around with music and going, oh, we'll need some garage and we'll obviously need some Beyonce. [laughter] we're in lockdown - we need Garage,
Catherine: [00:11:39] Garage and Beyonce, It's all about balance isn't it.
Grace: [00:11:41] It really is really, really is. I kind of threw it together and I chucked a thing on my Facebook page saying that this is happening. And I was like, okay, I know how to do a basic Facebook live. We'll just give it a go. We'll see. And I did that first class and loads of.. oh God the reaction was just completely gorgeous. And people you know, there's always a slight feeling. I'm like, oh, we'll probably just my mates will say how good it was because that's we'll have to like me. And they did. And that was lovely. But also people I didn't know were getting in touch and again the bit of feedback that was really moving with people saying leaving in the comments, things like I've had such an anxious morning, I think feeling so worried and overwhelmed. And I stumbled across this and I did your class. And now I've got a massive smile on my face. People saying I've been feeling so strung. I was crying all morning and now I can't stop laughing. And I'm listening to Garage. Yeah.
Grace: [00:12:45] And it was like, well, that's so so gorgeous. And to think those people wouldn't have had that lovely, brilliant experience because I was worried about the quality of my graphics, like, what nonsense. So it's just a brilliant lesson in just getting out of your own way and just doing it. You know, it's all of the cliches. It's don't let perfection be the enemy of the good it's, you know, just do it. Do it now. You know, if you're writing, it's like a first draft is better than no draft. It's all of those cliches, but they're so so key. And it was just gorgeous. And it didn't matter that it wasn't like it might not have been the greatest dance class I've ever taught. With all the perfect choreography and all the moves planned out for the week. It didn't matter. It was just me going high. We were in lockdown. Let's do some dance. Let's shake out. Let's see how we're all in this together. And it was lush.
Catherine: [00:13:43] Did you have any.. What was it like those moments before you pressed Live. Were you just in a state of this is just a laugh. Were you still like "squeel".
Grace: [00:13:55] It was a bit of a mix of like dance stuff. That's me and my joy and in my power and in my element. But tech is not really my vibe. The main thing is like, is it working? It's saying it's live nothing's counting the numbers going. So I'm sort next to the camera going, is it? Isn't it? And then these of heart started appearing. A couple of my mates were like Yes, we're here. Oh, cool. And then we were off. But again, it was very much you know, every now and again I would go, I'm just gonna run round the back of the camera and have a look. Yeah, we're still there. And that kind of again, that adds to the sort of the realness of it I think. Yes. It's like this isn't slick. This isn't polished. It's me in my living room. And it's great.
Catherine: [00:14:45] I feels like that because everyone's at home. There's far less of the at work face, like people are just being themselves. So, you know, genuinely turning up in line in their pants. Right. And maybe they've showered and maybe they haven't been. There's a sort of general acceptance that it really doesn't matter. That's okay.
Grace: [00:15:10] And I just got to so when this thing kind of rolls over at once, it's going to be going back to like their jobs in the investment banks and their slang kits and onesies again, being like, no, I thought I was a thing now in the brave new world.
Catherine: [00:15:24] So Grace is someone you're always really brilliant at. I think just pushing yourself, like, you just do stuff and you're someone. Wow. Just aren't you you're just like regardless of how scary it might be, I think you always find joy in the fun and things and connecting with that and it just seems like from the outside, like that's what moves you forward. Like you've got there's big joy propellor. And so it doesn't matter if you're going "Holy Fuck".
Catherine: [00:15:56] I guess where I'm where I'm giving in a really roundabout way is for anyone that's listening to this that does really want to step out and do that thing, knowing that they might feel too foolish to tell anyone about like what would be your you Gracie, joy-filled words to them if you were standing face to face and your hands were on their shoulders. What would you say to them?
Grace: [00:16:24] My goodness. I would say just do it. I would say I would say that no one in the world is better equipped to do what you have to offer than you.
Grace: [00:16:38] I would also say that this particular time feels really permission giving. So as you touched on, you know, we all at home, if you want to share, you know, if you've always played a bit of guitar and thought that would be a nice thing to share. But you've been too nervous and you wouldn't God, you wouldn't in your life thought of going to an open mic night would just be terrifying. You know, you can just do it. You don't need fancy equipment. And everyone - there's a really receptive audience at the moment. And there's also a really forgiving audience. You know, people know that we are all in this together and that we are all doing our best that we are, as you say, in our living rooms, in our pajamas. So no one's expecting you to have a...
Catherine: [00:17:21] Pants
Grace: [00:17:21] Yes well - naked from the waist down.
Grace: [00:17:27] Noone is expecting you to have a recording studio in your house or a dance studio or a gym or equipment and. One of the styles I teach at festivals is cheerleading, and it's always really silly and really joyful. And I thought, God, cheerleading would be just great for lifting people's spirits, but they don't have the pompoms. So then I was like, we can make pom poms out of newspaper and a bit of sellotape. So I did a bit of a tutorial and then I was like, guys, now we're equipped. And again, this permission giving thing of saying, actually, you're really you're really resourced. Um yeah, I would say just do it. I mean, I can't tell you the amount of things that I've been watching online that I've just literally I was moved to tears by this guy just paying a bit of banjo. The other day. Because, you know, of course, it's amazing that the big celebrities and musicians are doing these gigs and well done for them for using their platform. That's awesome. But it's people who are just having a go in their kitchen that are really getting me because I'm like, yes, you're Yeah, you're doing it. And how absolutely glorious. Yeah, I would just say just go for it. Just go for it. And also that anyone listening to this thing, oh, it's easy for her because she's all joyful and confident. And muuuh, it's just a bit of an illusion as well. I mean, you only get brave like courage and bravery. I believe it's not like you kind of do something and then you earn your bravery badge. It's a continual thing and a continual chipping away and just in every single choice where we get that Oh, shit. I can't do it moment. So I'm just gonna do. Let's not worry about the whole thing. I'll just do this bit. I'll just do this bit. And that's actually how we when people look at you and go God, you're so brave. Oh, you're so amazing. It's like I'm just muddling along as much as the rest them. But it's just a little bit more. A little bit more. Just do it. Just keep going.
Catherine: [00:19:30] And you, and you're making those choices, right. You're kind of despite, despite how I feel, I'm going to do this. I've had some spectacular moments of falling flat on my face, say, oh, yes, I was thinking if I if I was ever going to teach, do webinar or workshop or something about that, it be about fully committing to the fuck-up. Right. Like, don't be half-hearted about commit to messing up. Commit to being utterly imperfect. Please don't. annoy us all by being halfassed about getting it wrong. Like getting it properly wrong. Yes. Embrace that because actually probably no one's watching. We have a smaller audience and the audience. Right. And it was said that the permission that is gives people when we mess up I think might be where our biggest impact lies.
Grace: [00:20:40] And yeah, I totally agree. When I'm on stage, when I'm doing the dance stuff at like. And I mess up the steps or I forget a bit of it. The audience absolutely love it. And it's not because they're laughing. It's because it's that thing of going We're showing our humanness. Like we're showing. You're saying I'm just like you. I'm having a go. And I'm perfect. And rubbish and brilliant and crap. And I'm all of the things because I'm human. And I'm just doing it. And I think that's so permission-giving. So when again. Yeah. Really. I love everything that you're saying. You know, the mistakes in inverted commas. That's where the really good stuff is. And we know this to ourselves because we've all been a situation we've all been a gig or, you know, a time where someone, even people really professional, like when when an artist on stage forgets their lyrics and just burst out laughing, is like, should we do that on a day? Like, we love it because we we all breath a collective sigh of relief and go, oh, my God, they're human, too. It's okay. I'm allowed. And it's really where the good stuff is so great.
Catherine: [00:21:52] So Grace where can people find you online. Where are you hanging out?
[00:21:56] So I am. You can find me in many places. But for dance things, you can find me at the joy in dance. So my thing is called Joy in dance. All of my handlers are at the joy in dance. And that's on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and YouTube.
Catherine: [00:22:17] Your live dance. That's on your Facebook page?
Grace: [00:22:21] Yes. So you can follow. You can like and follow all of those many platforms if you wish. But at the moment, most of the stuff I'm doing, the people can access is currently on Facebook. So if you go on the Joy in Dance Facebook page, I'm doing like dance workouts and we've been doing some cheerleading. There's also a tutorial video to make your own pom poms out of newspaper at home. And they really work and they're really fun. And we're also going to do some Bollywood, possibly some Charlston. And there's more stuff coming up. At the moment, it's again, it's it's work in progress. So I don't have a perfect schedule, but I'm usually doing twelve o'clock for about half an hour and I may be doing that about three times a week. And also all of the Facebook lives, the videos then stay there and I list all of the tracks that you could if that time doesn't work for you can go back and watch it later. And they're very fun and they're very joyful and they're just a good way to shake out the blues and get in your body. And yeah, I'm going to have a dance.
Catherine: [00:23:27] I love that and we'll put details of that on the Giant Pause Facebook page.
Catherine: [00:23:31] You know, when we set up the restaurant only six months ago, and there's been there's been a lot about just getting things right. And I'm I'm enjoying I'm enjoying this kind of world, just making it up as we go along. And I guess in my head, I'm also thinking, you know what? I'd really like to bring this joy and this imperfection to maybe how I show up at work. Not in the food!
Grace: [00:24:04] No, the food is sensational. That was why we're friends. Because I ate some of your food and it was so amazing. It was like I can't bear to not have you in my life.
Catherine: [00:24:18] Grace, thank you so, so much for agreeing to come on and having such a wonderful guest.
Grace: [00:24:26] Thank you. You are an amazing, amazing witnesser. You really see, like earlier when you said something about me, I was like, wow. is that how you see me. You witness is such a beautiful way. It's very, very special. It's a real gift.
Grace: [00:24:44] For anyone who is thinking about putting stuff out there. Do it, do it. we've already said that. If you're going to put stuff online and on Facebook, I would say just unhooking, finding ways to unhook from praise or criticism is a really, really good thing so what I try to do when I post stuff is with these Facebook lives, I give myself straight afterwards. I give myself a real clear window. I say, okay, I'm going to do 45 minutes now where I post the video, where I answer all the comments, and then I'm just going to step away and leave it - I'm not going to spend the next eight hours reading every comment or scrolling through while trying to find the one thing where someone said, oh, I didn't really get that, you know, don't get into that too much because you can just drive yourself mad. And I think at the moment we're spending so much time on screens anyway. And also, don't worry about the size of your audience if you do something and seven people watch it. Don't think. Oh, God, only seven people. Yes. Brilliant people.
Grace: [00:25:44] People are watching it. That's beautiful. And that doesn't mean that it hasn't touched people. You know, sometimes people are so moved by something and it has such an impact on them and they don't always write in the comments, you know so don't assume like really, really, really just trust that what you're putting out there, what ever you're putting out there is right and is needed. And I think this is the last thing I'm going to say. I think this time is so exciting to see so many people sharing their gifts and their talents. And I just I think the world is speeding up the future is here and I just think we don't have the luxury of kind of navel gazing in the way that we used to. I think it's like you're here for a reason. You're absolutely meant to be here at this time. And the world needs what you have to say and what you have to offer, like as a matter of urgency. So how extraordinary would the world be if people were doing more of what they are doing at the moment, which is just having a go showing up, sharing their gifts and their talents and their skills and themselves, like the world would be so much richer. Like it just. Just like. Yes. Yes. 100 percent. Yes. It's all needed. It's all good. Well, let's have it.
Catherine: [00:27:07] Mic drop. [laughter] What? That's so not me is it?!
Grace: [00:27:19] A mic drop doesn't really work on radio. But Catherine just did the mic drop gesture and I just completely lost my mind. Right.
Catherine: [00:27:31] So there's me embracing embarrassing myself. What a great what a great way to end the show on. And, um, yeah. Please just just do it. As you as you said, Grace loved your words. Love your thoughts and your passion for life.
Grace: [00:27:52] And if you're feeling scared that it probably means you're on to something. If you're going Oh God noone's gonna want to see that. We do. Yeah. Yeah. All of the best ideas I think I've had are the ones that I've gone. Oh dear God. There's no way I'm sharing that. There's no way I'm telling anyone about that so much and that someone goes, wow I love it so..
Catherine: [00:28:14] Actually, a one quick question before you go. Having been. Because I am. I am. I mean, we're doing this podcast. I'm all right with pushing myself and scaring myself but there's sometimes after you do it and after the euphoria of doing it. Yeah. There can be a bit of a crash. And can you talk to that a little bit. And what would be your number one tip for getting yourself out of that?
Grace: [00:28:47] Good one, good one. Yes. So I would say I would ask yourself the question. "How do I resource? So how do I resource myself and I think in general, this is actually whether or not you're putting yourself out into the world. Well, I mean, we're always doing that in some way, but particularly at these times which which are so extraordinary and strange and challenging for people. I would really say, like, get your practice down, like, whether that's meditation or yoga or having a bath or lighting a candle or whatever it is that just brings you back to any kind of center place where you're like, okay, in this space everything is okay. I would say really just kind of ramp that up. And I'm also aware that at the moment, you know, people's resources are really stretched. You know, people are at home with children and small children and working and now some are home schooling. And there's so much going on. People might be listening to this and going, oh, well, that's all well and good. I don't have an hour to go. But my thing would be if the time actually doesn't matter. So what I do first thing in the morning, I, I don't turn my phone on. So I turned my phone off when I go to bed and I don't turn it on again until I am available to the world. So even if you're feeling really busy and completely overwhelmed, it's like, okay...
[00:30:14] Have I got time to just light a candle and sit for two minutes and just check in with myself and be like, how you doing? And just kind of resource. And I think and that's one of the reasons that I love dance. I love music. So, you know, creating playlists of songs. I call them my power songs. It's just like anything that calms you or gets you in your joy or it's like if I don't have time to do a big whole yoga session, it's like, okay, I can work on a bit of Beyonce, say, and have a good shake out, you know. And that takes how long's that track? It's three and a half minutes. So I think any of those sorts of things to just have in your tool box, and in your armoury, because I think you're absolutely right. It can be a funny kind of a funny kind of come down and then it's like, OK, how do I come back to myself? I'm gonna have a bath, make myself a cup of tea, build a little alter,whatever it is like. Yeah. Really come back to that stuff. And I would say it was I remember now. So Brene Brown, who I actually love, I think she's amazing. It's her TED Talk on vulnerability is one of the most watched TED talks in the world.
[00:31:30] It's been watched like millions of times. It's just one of the biggest TED talks ever. And she describes that. She said she did that TED talk. And the next day, she said she had the biggest shame hangover of her life. And she's like what have you done, you were talking nonsense. You're going to be you'll never work again. Or your work is going to be discredited because of this stupid thing that you did. And she said still to this day, I've never watched that Ted talk so I just can't it's too excruciating. But like, that's been downloaded by millions and millions and millions. And when I'm really having a like, oh, God, what are you doing with your life? Nothing moment. I also just think about that and be like we're not always the best judges of of ourselves as well, you know, because we can be so hypercritical. And so it's actually just park it and have a little dance for, or do whatever the equivalent is for you. For me, it's dance. You know what? What brings you back to your center, to your joy? Is it cooking? Is it sitting in silence for five minutes? Just bring yourself back to that and just park the rest of it. And go thank you but we're good.
[00:32:42] Know what - I as this is all about, just pushing, pushing ourselves and trying new things, I am going to press pause and go and put on some Garage. So that's me. It won't be a Facebook. No, it'll just be for me. Though never say never.
[00:33:15] Nothing - I now do for a living that started as a joke. I can't even tell you. I mean, that's how Rollright came about. You know, we just have a little party with a few friends and suddenly we're we're organizing a flipping festival for a decade. So...
[00:33:30] I think this is a whole new podcast. What started a joke. Transposed itself was a living.
[00:33:37] What started as a joke is now my career...
[00:33:42] That is. Yes, it is. All right. Part 2. Grace - -hank you so much. I love and appreciate you. And I cannot wait for your next cheerleading live. And we will catch up soon.
Grace: [00:34:00] Thank you for having me on this -it's such a dream come true. I like, when you rang me, I was like, A Podcast!Where I will be the guest! Make me feel like a million dollars. Thank you so much.
Catherine: [00:34:15] You are a million dollars. You're more. You're infinite dollars. You're amazing. Thank you.
Grace: [00:34:23] Love you loads. This has been gorgeous.
Catherine: [00:34:25] I'd love to hear from you. Hear your thoughts on this conversation or any of the other episodes. If you loved it, I would so appreciate it if you share it with your friends. If you would follow on Spotify or Apple podcast and just leave some comments, leave some love on our Instagram or Facebook page. This has been Catherine Solomons with another episode of The Giant Pause Podcast.